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I think we should be focused on the scenario 1 and we can make test for this scenario.
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What do you think we should change(or add) in Libero MFG and FA modules?
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- [[User:pshepetko|Peter Shepetko]] 23:55, 20 June 2009 (GMT+2:00)
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=12 June 2009 - CMMS Scenarios=
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I think there are at least 3 possible scenarios for CMMS processing
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'''Scenario 1'''
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Is your example where we have a Client who has a large fleet of assets that require regular maintenance and the Client undertakes the preventive maintenance exercise.
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Here you need to define and associate :
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1. The asset to be maintained
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2. The materials, labour etc. required to carry out the preventive maintenance
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3. The warehouse to store the materials
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4. A product to drive the maintenance process (like manufacturing process)
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5. The BP as the vendor to buy the materials from
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6. A way to generate the maintenance schedule
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'''Scenario 2'''
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A Client whose business is to provide maintenance service to customers who require maintenance service. Here we need to :
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1. Add the BP - Customer. We may need to associate the 'Customer Asset' to the Customer
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2. There is no Asset in this scenario as the 'car' belongs to the Customer
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'''Scenario 3'''
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Similar to Scenario 1 but a lot simpler because the Client outsource the maintenance service. We dont need the item 2, 3, 4 above (Scenario 1) but need to work with a BP that provides this outsource service.
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=10 June 2009=
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Hi Victor / Peter
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Will there be a process for 'Scheduling of Preventive Maintenance'. Normally after things are setup, you can actually point to an ASSET and indicate that you wish to generate a Schedule of Preventive Maintenance. Scheduling could be 2 types - (1) time based which means on a time interval basis, preventive maintenance is required. (2) metered basis which means after a specific meter reading e.g. every 5,000km, a preventive maintenance will take place.
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: - Peter Shepetko wrote 14:22, 11 June 2009 (GMT+2:00)
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Hi,
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Yes, you opinion about 'Scheduling of Preventive Maintenance' and 2 Preventive Maintenance types is true.
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We should define a way of realisation for it:
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  - we will develop Forecast process for Maintenance Scheduling
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  - we will add new form tab for Maintenance Scheduling types(a time interval basis) to ASSET
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  - other offers
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I look at your wiki on this topic. Very nice. I have a few questions :
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1. Is Org MAINTENANCE necessary for this to work?
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: - Peter Shepetko wrote 14:25, 11 June 2009 (GMT+2:00)
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No, not necessarily. But if you want to collect costs for Maintenance- it’s convenient.
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2. Is Product - Car MB220 required bcos you need it to define a production process - in this case the maintenace of a car?
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: - Peter Shepetko wrote 14:30, 11 June 2009 (GMT+2:00)
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Car MB220 is an example which is easy for all  because many people have the car:-)
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K. Hee
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Singapore
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=08 June 2009=
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Hi Victor,
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I sorry, I left the city and hadn’t access to internet.
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In Oracle eAM we defined Maintenance Department (e.g. Maintenance Plant) and added Resource (HR and Equipment) to this Department.
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Please, you look about it (with Oracle eAM UG):
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“A department represents a crew within your organization, containing one or more people, machines, or suppliers, where you want to collect costs, apply overhead, and compare load to capacity.
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You assign a department to each operation of a routing and assign resources that are available for that department.
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When you define a department, you specify available resources. A resource represents a craft. You can enter multiple resources for each department. For each resource, you can specify the shifts that the resource is available. For each resource shift, you can also specify capacity modifications that change the available hours
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per day, units per day, or workdays.”
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I think we should use the Best Worlds Practices :-)
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: - [[User:pshepetko|Peter Shepetko]] 01:37, 08 June 2009 (GMT+2:00)
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Hi,
 
Hi,
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Please you look my addons to Workflow for Preventive Maintenance 1.
 
Please you look my addons to Workflow for Preventive Maintenance 1.
 
Can we use three resources in Adempiere simultaneously?
 
Can we use three resources in Adempiere simultaneously?
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: - [[User:pshepetko|Peter Shepetko]] 0:55, 05 May 2009 (GMT+2:00)
  
 
Hi Peter!
 
Hi Peter!
  
Yes, you can define same resource to different Manufacturing Activity it do not is issue.  DRP Calculate the capacity summary the requirement of each node.
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Yes, you can define same resource to different Manufacturing Activity it do not is issue.  CRP Calculate the capacity summary the requirement of each node.
  
Victor Perez
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I saw that you set 3 resource to same activity but in Libero a resource only can execute an activity, So you should adding the CAR WORKSHOP EQUIPMENT,Professional Tool Kit as Tools into the BOM so that hour interest is to management of units.
  
: - [[User:pshepetko|Peter Shepetko]] 0:55, 05 May 2009 (GMT+2:00)
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What do you think?
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[[User:vpj-cd|Victor Perez]]
  
 
=01 June 2009=
 
=01 June 2009=

Latest revision as of 14:16, 20 June 2009

20 June 2009 - CMMS Scenarios

I think we should be focused on the scenario 1 and we can make test for this scenario.

What do you think we should change(or add) in Libero MFG and FA modules?

- Peter Shepetko 23:55, 20 June 2009 (GMT+2:00)

12 June 2009 - CMMS Scenarios

I think there are at least 3 possible scenarios for CMMS processing

Scenario 1

Is your example where we have a Client who has a large fleet of assets that require regular maintenance and the Client undertakes the preventive maintenance exercise.

Here you need to define and associate :

1. The asset to be maintained

2. The materials, labour etc. required to carry out the preventive maintenance

3. The warehouse to store the materials

4. A product to drive the maintenance process (like manufacturing process)

5. The BP as the vendor to buy the materials from

6. A way to generate the maintenance schedule

Scenario 2

A Client whose business is to provide maintenance service to customers who require maintenance service. Here we need to :

1. Add the BP - Customer. We may need to associate the 'Customer Asset' to the Customer

2. There is no Asset in this scenario as the 'car' belongs to the Customer

Scenario 3

Similar to Scenario 1 but a lot simpler because the Client outsource the maintenance service. We dont need the item 2, 3, 4 above (Scenario 1) but need to work with a BP that provides this outsource service.

10 June 2009

Hi Victor / Peter

Will there be a process for 'Scheduling of Preventive Maintenance'. Normally after things are setup, you can actually point to an ASSET and indicate that you wish to generate a Schedule of Preventive Maintenance. Scheduling could be 2 types - (1) time based which means on a time interval basis, preventive maintenance is required. (2) metered basis which means after a specific meter reading e.g. every 5,000km, a preventive maintenance will take place.

: - Peter Shepetko wrote 14:22, 11 June 2009 (GMT+2:00)
Hi,
Yes, you opinion about 'Scheduling of Preventive Maintenance' and 2 Preventive Maintenance types is true.
We should define a way of realisation for it:
 - we will develop Forecast process for Maintenance Scheduling
 - we will add new form tab for Maintenance Scheduling types(a time interval basis) to ASSET 
 - other offers


I look at your wiki on this topic. Very nice. I have a few questions :

1. Is Org MAINTENANCE necessary for this to work?

: - Peter Shepetko wrote 14:25, 11 June 2009 (GMT+2:00)
No, not necessarily. But if you want to collect costs for Maintenance- it’s convenient.

2. Is Product - Car MB220 required bcos you need it to define a production process - in this case the maintenace of a car?

: - Peter Shepetko wrote 14:30, 11 June 2009 (GMT+2:00)
Car MB220 is an example which is easy for all  because many people have the car:-)

K. Hee Singapore

08 June 2009

Hi Victor,

I sorry, I left the city and hadn’t access to internet.

In Oracle eAM we defined Maintenance Department (e.g. Maintenance Plant) and added Resource (HR and Equipment) to this Department.

Please, you look about it (with Oracle eAM UG):

“A department represents a crew within your organization, containing one or more people, machines, or suppliers, where you want to collect costs, apply overhead, and compare load to capacity. You assign a department to each operation of a routing and assign resources that are available for that department. When you define a department, you specify available resources. A resource represents a craft. You can enter multiple resources for each department. For each resource, you can specify the shifts that the resource is available. For each resource shift, you can also specify capacity modifications that change the available hours per day, units per day, or workdays.”

I think we should use the Best Worlds Practices :-)

- Peter Shepetko 01:37, 08 June 2009 (GMT+2:00)

05 June 2009

Hi,

Please you look my addons to Workflow for Preventive Maintenance 1. Can we use three resources in Adempiere simultaneously?

- Peter Shepetko 0:55, 05 May 2009 (GMT+2:00)

Hi Peter!

Yes, you can define same resource to different Manufacturing Activity it do not is issue. CRP Calculate the capacity summary the requirement of each node.

I saw that you set 3 resource to same activity but in Libero a resource only can execute an activity, So you should adding the CAR WORKSHOP EQUIPMENT,Professional Tool Kit as Tools into the BOM so that hour interest is to management of units.

What do you think?


Victor Perez

01 June 2009

Hi Victor,

I have one question to you: If CAR WORKSHOP EQUIPMENT (big equipment is Asset) and PROFESSIONAL TOOL KIT(maybe Product) are Assets maybe we should add them in Workflow - Tools Tab.

HI Peter, I sorry I do not see your question before.

Well, Currently Libero Manufacturing Support that you can define the Tools into of BOM, this way when you create a Manufacturing Order or Maintenance Order the tools will be include into the Pick list, a Product that is defined as Tools only is exploded for one quantity.

The must important is the inventory control the this Asset, the reason is when that same Asset is necessary for different Manufacturing Activity, a typic case in the Plastic industry you need a good control of Patters so that different Manufacturing Activity need same Tools.

The Workflow Tools was think to indicate in that Manufacturing Activity will use the Tools.


So I now some some Question?

How should to management the available/ Un Available of a Asset (Can use the Current Inventory Functionality)?

: - Peter Shepetko wrote 17:22, 02 June 2009 (GMT+2:00)
I think we should use resource. A resource is an employee, piece of equipment or contractor service, used to perform
an operation. Maybe we can add new type to resource type = Asset or we will setup direct link betwen Resource<=>Product<=>Asset.


kind regards Victor Perez www.e-evolution.com

31 May 2009

Hi,

I have full Card of planned maintenance service of cars Mercedes-Benz 220, 210, 211, 203, 202, 140, 168(Russian).

But I created the simple card for this test. I think we should create three BOMs for Preventive Maintenance:

  • Preventive Maintenance 1 - through each 15 000 km
  • Preventive Maintenance 2 - through each 30 000 km
  • Preventive Maintenance 3 - through each 60 000 km

What do you think about it?

- Peter Shepetko 12:26, 31 May 2009 (GMT+2:00)


Hi Peter!

I think that is good example, I review the BOM and the wiki example I think that very nice.

I only have a question, Have you some to get the KM consumed?

: - Peter Shepetko wrote 14:22, 02 June 2009 (GMT+2:00)
If  I have correctly understood you , You asked me about my client for Maintenance Management. 
No, I haven’t clients for MM.But  we have good ideas about integrating Adempiere&GTS Device «Drozd»& Оnboard computer 
of the car (for example:the lorry Man).We    will have possibility to transfer data(from onboard computer) 
from the car to Adempiere in a mode online for car maintenance. We wish to have the good decision for this purpose based Adempiere.

How we can define a Forecast based in the KM consumed of Asset?

: - Peter Shepetko wrote 14:25, 02 June 2009 (GMT+2:00)
I think we should use for Asset Management Forecast:
Meter Readings
• Multiple meters (e.g. data of a speedometer of the car)
Usage
• Planned calendar events (e.g. every year)
• Common meter names
Estimated Life
• Run to failure
• Planned breakdowns

kind regards

Victor Perez

26 May 2009

Hi Red1,

We will use resource for Maintenance Management :

  1. Material - Material transaction costs (e.g. spare parts).
  2. Labor - Labor resource transaction costs (e.g. mechanic for car).
  3. Equipment - Equipment resource transaction costs (e.g. diagnostics stand).

I think you should use Libero BOM (Multi Level BOM&Formula) if you use Libero MFG. But if you want to create a simple assemblage (e.g. Patio Furniture Set - 1 table, 4 Chairs and 1 Sun Screen) – use standard BOM. Yes, new PP_BOM this as easily as the old BOM.

I think, we should start to test it and add new functionality (e.g. meter readings) and we should check(or create) integration with other modules(e.g. Assets), because about 75 % of functionality (BOM, Forecast, MRP, MPS, CRP and etc.) is in Libero MFG.

What does Victor think about it?

To me it is wonderful, When I was design I setup to support the Maintenance Management.

kind regards

Victor Perez

- Peter Shepetko 12:32, 26 May 2009 (GMT+2:00)

24 May 2009: Interested?

  • Hi Victor and Peter. I am also interested in such a system for a prospect and wonder if our ideas are the same:
    • Each maintenance event is a BOM comprising of say:
      • Spare parts
      • Labour charges
    • I intend to use the old simple BOM concept from Compiere.
  • Questions:
    • Can the new PP_BOM do this as easily as the old BOM?

I think that is better that you use Libero BOM PP_Product_BOM

    • What extras can we have in the new system?

With the current Libero Functionality you can support Maintenance Order, Planning the supply Spare, and costing management.


kind regards

Victor Perez

  • If it is the same, then we can assist in design, development and testing.
- Red1 18:28, 24 May 2009 (PDT)